Wikitech-l May 2006

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Help: Chinese Wikipedia error on Variant zh-cn, zh-tw, zh-hk, zh-sg
by Hsiang-Tai Chien 28 May '06

28 May '06

Yes, the issue on Chinese Wikipedia seems fixed now. H.T. [[w:zh:User:Htchien]] [[w:en:User:Htchien]] -----Original Message----- From: wikitech-l-bounces(a)wikimedia.org [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brion Vibber Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 5:39 PM To: Wikimedia developers Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Help: Chinese Wikipedia error on Variant zh-cn, zh-tw, zh-hk, zh-sg mingli yuan wrote: > Hi, buddies. We need your help on Chinese Wikipedia. > > This morning all pages are shown with errors: internal links are > missing, pictures can not be shown, tables are upset. But if you > change the language variant from zh-cn, zh-tw, zh-hk, zh-sg to zh, all things return to normal. This is (hopefully) fixed now. I'm not sure how or why, but this was triggered as a side effect of the message transformation changes I introduced earlier today. It doesn't seem to have affected anywhere but Chinese Wikipedia, and I have had great difficulty trying to reproduce the problem locally. For the moment I've reverted the changes, so constructs like {{urlencode:$1}} and {{fullurl:$1}} are broken again. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com) ___________________________________________________ 最新版 Yahoo!奇摩即時通訊 7.0，免費網路電話任你打！ http://messenger.yahoo.com.tw/

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[[:fr:template:rand]]
by folengo＠netcourrier.com 28 May '06

28 May '06

[[:fr:user:Solensean]] wants [[:fr:template:rand]] (1) to be deleted without any "Vote for deletion" [[:fr:WP:PàS]] procedure. He says on the French Village Pump « Pour plus de précisions, vous pouvez contacter m:User:Brion <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Brion>, le développeur principal du logiciel, pour lui demander son avis sur #rand, ou le modèle l'émulant. ». (2) My position on whether we should keep or delete [[:fr:template:rand]] is nuanced. My position on using Brion's name to enact what amounts to an infringement of the Deletion Policy ([[:fr:WP:PàS]]) is somewhat less nuanced. To my best knowledge, no abuse of [[:fr:template:rand]] has been reported so far. Teofilo Links : (1) http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modèle:Rand (2) http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Le_Bistro/28_mai_2006#Modèle:Rand

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Help: Chinese Wikipedia error on Variant zh-cn, zh-tw, zh-hk, zh-sg
by mingli yuan 28 May '06

28 May '06

Hi, buddies. We need your help on Chinese Wikipedia. This morning all pages are shown with errors: internal links are missing, pictures can not be shown, tables are upset. But if you change the language variant from zh-cn, zh-tw, zh-hk, zh-sg to zh, all things return to normal.

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MediaWiki automated test run failure 2006-05-28
by brion＠pobox.com 28 May '06

28 May '06

An automated run of parserTests.php showed the following failures: Running test Table security: embedded pipes (http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2006-April/034637.html)... FAILED! Running test Link containing double-single-quotes '' (bug 4598)... FAILED! Running test BUG 1887, part 2: A <math> with a thumbnail- math enabled... FAILED! Running test Language converter: output gets cut off unexpectedly (bug 5757)... FAILED! Running test HTML bullet list, unclosed tags (bug 5497)... FAILED! Running test HTML ordered list, closed tags (bug 5497)... FAILED! Running test HTML ordered list, unclosed tags (bug 5497)... FAILED! Running test HTML nested bullet list, open tags (bug 5497)... FAILED! Running test HTML nested ordered list, closed tags (bug 5497)... FAILED! Running test HTML nested ordered list, open tags (bug 5497)... FAILED! Passed 322 of 332 tests (96.99%) FAILED!

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nofollow in user: space
by William Allen Simpson 27 May '06

27 May '06

While I'm thinking about it (and surely this must have been proposed before and I'm not using the correct search term), some incentive to decorate user pages could be curbed by not indexing it in the search engines. That is, add nofollow to the html in User and User talk. I'm actually a bit disgruntled that Google places such a high priority on Wikipedia that my (fairly sparse) User page recently became the top entry, rather than the more useful entries about my security work. So, for professionals, nofollow would be a boon. Pointers to code would be appreciated.

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OTRS bug ?
by Anthere 27 May '06

27 May '06

Hi Yesterday, I tried to forward three times a mail with attachment from the partnership queue on OTRS. Nothing happened (no mail was received). It reminds me that there was a similar bug some time ago, but it was fixed. Do you guys observe the same issue (no forward when done with attachment) ? Could that be the old bug going live again ? Thanks Anthere

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TaxAlmanac Discussion Forum
by Tim Doyle 27 May '06

27 May '06

I stumbled across the recent discussion on this list regarding the TaxAlmanac Discussion Forum and thought I'd join in and participate in the discussion. My name is Tim Doyle, and I am the moderator for the TaxAlmanac wiki (http://www.taxalmanac.org), and also responsible for driving the effort to launch our discussion forums. Our forum was launched mid-November last year and has been a great success for us. Our customers have found it much easier to use than the standard talk pages. Contributions to the site increased dramatically shortly after we launched these forums. Let me take a stab at answering some of the comments from the earlier discussion thread: Erik Moeller wrote: > I just saw that Tax Almanac, a MediaWiki customized by Intuit > software, has a very interesting integrated discussion system: > > http://www.taxalmanac.org/index.php/Discussion_Forum_Index > > It uses normal wiki pages in the "Discussion:" namespace to store the > threads, and stores the comments themselves as parametrized templates > within these pages. But the user interface looks like any ordinary > bulletin board. > > I don't see any links to source code and don't expect that it is > available. Has someone talked to them about whether they'd be willing > to open source it already? > We wanted our discussion forum to be built into / based on standard MediaWiki pages, which allows for links to other articles, enables searches, and also encourages users to become familiar with the wiki in general. We created a namespace specifically for these discussions, and added categories to the topic pages so that they could be segmented into different discussion categories. This approach allows us to easily move a discussion from one category to another, or to add it to multiple categories. We used a set of templates on the site to define what is added to new topics or when other users reply. These refer to other templates which then work with a modified monobook.css to define how the pages actually look. phil.boswell at gmail wrote: > They seem to be using an extension to provide the "most recent discussions" > view, sourced from a particular namespace JOINed with a given category. That is correct. We wrote another extension which returns a current list of articles within a specified namespace, and optionally filtered on a given category. We can also pass in the number of items to return, the name of a template to apply to the results to customize the look of the results, etc. ecable at avxw wrote: > I contacted the person who developed that system, may be able to get > the source code and start working on it; perhaps I can even get him > involved in this list! (-; You succeeded. Regarding the source code, it is not currently available, but we are currently reviewing if we should do this. I will keep you informed. We've been approached by Jimmy on this issue, so you can be assured that we are taking the requests seriously. timwi at gmx wrote: > That is indeed interesting; however from a software engineering point of > view it is extremely hacky and probably hard to maintain. I strongly > recommend against using this in official MediaWiki. I'm not sure why you consider our approach a 'hack' or hard to maintain. Could you explain? Platonides at gmail wrote: > They use special extensions Special:Newthread (not listed at specialpages) > and probably the edit form is tweaked too. > > They format it through several templates: > > {{ForumThreadHeading|title|title}} > {{ForumNewPost|UserID=Foo|Date=29 February 2006|Text= .......}} > {{ForumReplyPost|UserID=Joe|Date=30 February 2006|Text=....}} > > <recentpages> > namespace=Discussion > |category=User_Introductions > |limit=50 > |template=DiscussionsOnIndex > |top=sticky > </recentpages> > > I guess they do it with the templates. Don't know wat would happen if we > started writeng there invalid wiki syntax and closing the template mark. ;) Platonides got it basically correct. As far as how we protect against incorrect syntax, any characters, such as "}" or "|" which might adversely affect the discussion posts are converted to HTML entities before they are written to the page. Of course users could edit the page using the standard wiki editing mechanism, but we have not found this to be a problem. On the few occasions where someone has made a mistake here, they typically fix it very quickly. Yes, it is possible for someone to vandalize the discussions in this way, but we would deal with that as we would with any other type of vandalism. I'd be very interested to hear more from the community, and I look forward to participating in the discussions! Thank you, Tim Doyle

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MediaWiki automated test run failure 2006-05-27
by brion＠pobox.com 27 May '06

27 May '06

An automated run of parserTests.php showed the following failures: Running test Table security: embedded pipes (http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2006-April/034637.html)... FAILED! Running test BUG 1887, part 2: A <math> with a thumbnail- math enabled... FAILED! Running test Language converter: output gets cut off unexpectedly (bug 5757)... FAILED! Running test HTML bullet list, unclosed tags (bug 5497)... FAILED! Running test HTML ordered list, closed tags (bug 5497)... FAILED! Running test HTML ordered list, unclosed tags (bug 5497)... FAILED! Running test HTML nested bullet list, open tags (bug 5497)... FAILED! Running test HTML nested ordered list, closed tags (bug 5497)... FAILED! Running test HTML nested ordered list, open tags (bug 5497)... FAILED! Passed 318 of 327 tests (97.25%) FAILED!

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Non-found page text broken?
by Steve Bennett 26 May '06

26 May '06

Hi, I'm getting this text when searching for page that doesn't exist: No page with that title exists. You can [[::Aoeuaouo|create this article]] or request it. That is, in the rendered page, I'm actually seeing [[:: etc. Someone break something? This is on EN btw. Steve

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Number of days new users are prevented from editing semi-pr
by folengo＠netcourrier.com 26 May '06

26 May '06

I think this will not be necessary, because she has just tried editing again and everything is OK now. Thanks. ----Message d'origine---- >Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 05:41:45 -0700 >De: Brion Vibber <brion(a)pobox.com> >A: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org> >Sujet: Re: [Wikitech-l] Number of days new users are prevented > >folengo(a)netcourrier.com wrote: >> 1) User name : >> >> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Suziecat >> >> 2) semi-protected page she says she attempted to edit : >> >> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chat > >Now I need: >* the exact time of the attempted edit >* the exact description of the problem >* if possible, an exact description of a current attempt to make the edit >* including details of whether there was an attempt to reload the page, log >out/in, etc > >-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com) >_______________________________________________ >Wikitech-l mailing list >Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org >http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >

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