Hello everyone,
20 years ago on 27 august 1989, 700 000 of moldovans (of a 4 millions popoulation) went to the center of Chișinău (the capital of Moldova) to the *Piața Marii Adunări Naționale*, the biggest square in the city, and shout "limbă alfabet" (language and the alphabet) and for country independence, that event is called "Great National Assembly" (Marea Adunare Națională) which declared it's language "Moldavian" and it's script "LATIN". (here are a documental movie about this event http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BSfmhLOxO0, in the 4th part you can find that declaration)
Please respect that wish and delete the cyrllic mo.wikipedia.org that claims to be our language, and remove/change the name of our language written in cyrllic "Молдовеняскэ" on your first page wikipedia.org.
Thank you wikipedia.
Hoi, French, English, German, Tamil and many other languages are not only spoken in the "country of origin". The Moldovan language has often been successfully identified as and called Romanian. When in this other area of the world the language that you claim to be "your own" is written in Cyrillic then it must be tough on you.
Given that for all kinds of reasons the wikipedia you refer to may be removed makes the argument that the language is not yours anyway any less potent. Thanks, GerardM
2009/8/31 Cetateanu Moldovanu [email protected]
Hello everyone,
20 years ago on 27 august 1989, 700 000 of moldovans (of a 4 millions popoulation) went to the center of Chișinău (the capital of Moldova) to the *Piața Marii Adunări Naționale*, the biggest square in the city, and shout "limbă alfabet" (language and the alphabet) and for country independence, that event is called "Great National Assembly" (Marea Adunare Națională) which declared it's language "Moldavian" and it's script "LATIN". (here are a documental movie about this event http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BSfmhLOxO0, in the 4th part you can find that declaration)
Please respect that wish and delete the cyrllic mo.wikipedia.org that claims to be our language, and remove/change the name of our language written in cyrllic "Молдовеняскэ" on your first page wikipedia.org.
Thank you wikipedia. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
the world the language that you claim to be "your own" is written in
I said OUR, OUR country, OUR language, OUR latin script and alphabet. Please respect us.
"The Moldovan language has often been successfully identified as and called Romanian." That's very true, that's why I'm asking, that's why I'm (and others too) iritated to see "Молдовеняскэ" on your front page, just like in the soviet occupation times.
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Gerard Meijssen [email protected]wrote:
Hoi, French, English, German, Tamil and many other languages are not only spoken in the "country of origin". The Moldovan language has often been successfully identified as and called Romanian. When in this other area of the world the language that you claim to be "your own" is written in Cyrillic then it must be tough on you.
Given that for all kinds of reasons the wikipedia you refer to may be removed makes the argument that the language is not yours anyway any less potent. Thanks, GerardM
2009/8/31 Cetateanu Moldovanu [email protected]
Hello everyone,
20 years ago on 27 august 1989, 700 000 of moldovans (of a 4 millions popoulation) went to the center of Chișinău (the capital of Moldova) to
the
*Piața Marii Adunări Naționale*, the biggest square in the city, and
shout
"limbă alfabet" (language and the alphabet) and for country independence, that event is called "Great National Assembly" (Marea Adunare Națională) which declared it's language "Moldavian" and it's script "LATIN". (here are a documental movie about this event http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BSfmhLOxO0, in the 4th part you can find that declaration)
Please respect that wish and delete the cyrllic mo.wikipedia.org that claims to be our language, and remove/change the name of our language written in cyrllic "Молдовеняскэ" on your first page wikipedia.org.
Thank you wikipedia. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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2009/8/31 Cetateanu Moldovanu [email protected]:
I said OUR, OUR country, OUR language, OUR latin script and alphabet. Please respect us.
If by "respect" you mean "agree" and "do what I say" ... then I'm not surprised you have no insight as to why no-one cares about your request.
- d.
2009/8/31 David Gerard [email protected]:
2009/8/31 Cetateanu Moldovanu [email protected]:
I said OUR, OUR country, OUR language, OUR latin script and alphabet. Please respect us.
If by "respect" you mean "agree" and "do what I say" ... then I'm not surprised you have no insight as to why no-one cares about your request.
It's not an unreasonable request.
Moldovan normally refers to the language of Moldova and is commonly written in the Latin alphabet. It is by any reasonable standard Romanian and this is accepted within Moldova.
Cyrillic Moldovan is a relic of soviet occupation outside of Transnistria which depending on your POV is an ongoing russian occupation or a valid if somewhat recently formed nation.
In either case useing the "mo" code for Cyrillic Moldovan is at best inaccurate and at worse understandably highly offensive.
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 3:45 PM, David Gerard [email protected] wrote:
2009/8/31 Cetateanu Moldovanu [email protected]:
I said OUR, OUR country, OUR language, OUR latin script and alphabet.
Please
respect us.
If by "respect" you mean "agree" and "do what I say" ... then I'm not surprised you have no insight as to why no-one cares about your request.
Please don't change my words.
It was already promised https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2008-November/047554.html that it will change, this mail is a remind of that promise that we remember.
Today is one of the biggest and most important national moldavian holiday ! And just want let you know about that, and about the fact that there is some anomaly on the very influential and biggest encyclopedia in the world, Wikipedia. And to my surprise, Wikipedia move very very slow to do anything, even if was already promised.
Cyrillic Moldovan is at best inaccurate and at worse understandably highly
offensive. Indeed. Usually moldovan people are very shocked when they discover the actual version of mo.wikipedia, read your own ( http://apps.facebook.com/causes/39775 - Delete "moldovan" Wikipedia 2805 members) http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1639/31082009163401.png (page the comment of the users)
David Gerard hett schreven:
2009/8/31 Cetateanu Moldovanu [email protected]:
I said OUR, OUR country, OUR language, OUR latin script and alphabet. Please respect us.
If by "respect" you mean "agree" and "do what I say" ... then I'm not surprised you have no insight as to why no-one cares about your request.
- d.
I care about his request (which is reasonable, as geni pointed out) and I'm sure many other people care too, but don't speak up in this forum. Of course it can be annoying, if somebody asks for the same thing again and again, but as his request is reasonable, the only thing you can do about it is executing the request. The only reason why this is not done yet is that nobody, who has the power to do it, cares about it. I really disagree with the foundation people more and more loosing touch with the communities. It's not just this request. It's also the fact, that bugzilla bugs are not worked on for weeks and months, delays in software rollouts, and the low worth that is given to community worktime (like the example given by Tisza Gergő or the thousands of manhours that are wasted every day with setting interwikis which could easily be saved, if we had a central interwiki repository and if this repository wouldn't be blocked by the developers). Perhaps the foundation should hire new staff, whose job it is to _read_ the mailing lists (I'm quite sure, that many of the messages at the lists are read by nobody from the foundation or just by people who say "not my department") and to make sure that the relevant foundation employees take care of requests, questions etc. Another function could be taking care of Bugzilla bugs and delegating them to the relevant people. And we urgently need new developers. The current slow pace makes it clear, that the paid staff isn't even able to keep up with maintenance and daily operations. There are really few big innovations. We need developers, who can completely focus on innovation. Like global preferences, like a central interwiki repository, like an integrated map service, like a working interface for category intersection, like a Wikidata-project to keep volatile data consistent and up-to-date (e.g. population numbers). Known problems since half a decade (when I joined Wiki(p/m)edia) and even before. Five years ago I understood that these dreams were impossible, but today we have the money to actually do it. We earned 2 million recently, so please spend some bucks on hiring people to improve the response time to community requests and to improve development.
Marcus Buck User:Slomox
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Marcus Buck[email protected] wrote:
David Gerard hett schreven:
2009/8/31 Cetateanu Moldovanu [email protected]:
I said OUR, OUR country, OUR language, OUR latin script and alphabet. Please respect us.
If by "respect" you mean "agree" and "do what I say" ... then I'm not surprised you have no insight as to why no-one cares about your request.
- d.
I care about his request (which is reasonable, as geni pointed out) and I'm sure many other people care too, but don't speak up in this forum. Of course it can be annoying, if somebody asks for the same thing again and again, but as his request is reasonable, the only thing you can do about it is executing the request. The only reason why this is not done yet is that nobody, who has the power to do it, cares about it. I really disagree with the foundation people more and more loosing touch with the communities. It's not just this request. It's also the fact, that bugzilla bugs are not worked on for weeks and months, delays in software rollouts, and the low worth that is given to community worktime (like the example given by Tisza Gergő or the thousands of manhours that are wasted every day with setting interwikis which could easily be saved, if we had a central interwiki repository and if this repository wouldn't be blocked by the developers). Perhaps the foundation should hire new staff, whose job it is to _read_ the mailing lists (I'm quite sure, that many of the messages at the lists are read by nobody from the foundation or just by people who say "not my department") and to make sure that the relevant foundation employees take care of requests, questions etc. Another function could be taking care of Bugzilla bugs and delegating them to the relevant people. And we urgently need new developers. The current slow pace makes it clear, that the paid staff isn't even able to keep up with maintenance and daily operations. There are really few big innovations. We need developers, who can completely focus on innovation. Like global preferences, like a central interwiki repository, like an integrated map service, like a working interface for category intersection, like a Wikidata-project to keep volatile data consistent and up-to-date (e.g. population numbers). Known problems since half a decade (when I joined Wiki(p/m)edia) and even before. Five years ago I understood that these dreams were impossible, but today we have the money to actually do it. We earned 2 million recently, so please spend some bucks on hiring people to improve the response time to community requests and to improve development.
The only contribution of this person to this list is about closing mo.wp; if I count well, probably for years. And this is not reasonable.
I think it is fair to say that no language "belongs" to a country, it belongs to all speakers... what about the hundreds of thousands of people who write Moldovan in Cyrillic?
Also I'm curious what Geni feels about them - using "mo" to refer to Cyrillic Moldovan is not, in my view, "inaccurate", although it is not as specific as perhaps it sh/could be.
Mark
On 8/31/09, Cetateanu Moldovanu [email protected] wrote:
the world the language that you claim to be "your own" is written in
I said OUR, OUR country, OUR language, OUR latin script and alphabet. Please respect us.
"The Moldovan language has often been successfully identified as and called Romanian." That's very true, that's why I'm asking, that's why I'm (and others too) iritated to see "Молдовеняскэ" on your front page, just like in the soviet occupation times.
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Gerard Meijssen [email protected]wrote:
Hoi, French, English, German, Tamil and many other languages are not only spoken in the "country of origin". The Moldovan language has often been successfully identified as and called Romanian. When in this other area of the world the language that you claim to be "your own" is written in Cyrillic then it must be tough on you.
Given that for all kinds of reasons the wikipedia you refer to may be removed makes the argument that the language is not yours anyway any less potent. Thanks, GerardM
2009/8/31 Cetateanu Moldovanu [email protected]
Hello everyone,
20 years ago on 27 august 1989, 700 000 of moldovans (of a 4 millions popoulation) went to the center of Chișinău (the capital of Moldova) to
the
*Piața Marii Adunări Naționale*, the biggest square in the city, and
shout
"limbă alfabet" (language and the alphabet) and for country independence, that event is called "Great National Assembly" (Marea Adunare Națională) which declared it's language "Moldavian" and it's script "LATIN". (here are a documental movie about this event http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BSfmhLOxO0, in the 4th part you can find that declaration)
Please respect that wish and delete the cyrllic mo.wikipedia.org that claims to be our language, and remove/change the name of our language written in cyrllic "Молдовеняскэ" on your first page wikipedia.org.
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On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 04:10, Mark Williamson[email protected] wrote:
I think it is fair to say that no language "belongs" to a country, it belongs to all speakers... what about the hundreds of thousands of people who write Moldovan in Cyrillic?
According to Wikipedia (the enciclopaedia libre of the internet, did you know that? ;)) article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_language:
The standard alphabet is Latin (currently official in the Republic of Moldova). Before 1989, also two versions of Cyrillic had been used: the Moldovan Cyrillic alphabet in 1940-89, and the historical Romanian Cyrillic alphabet until 1857. As of 2008[update], the former remains in use only in Transnistria.
This suggests that 1) language identification 'mo' is written in latin, 2) it _is_ the _moldovan_ language, 3) it is used by 90% of the population (4 million+).
This hints to me as well that there is a language, which is the same, but written in cyrillic script and used in Transnistria (400 000+ people), but: 1) I do not know its ISO code (definitely not "mo"), 2) I do not remember the policy to host the same language in different scripts, but if we support that, we should follow the already applied naming convention (I tend to remember something similar about serbian wp?)
Also I'm curious what Geni feels about them - using "mo" to refer to Cyrillic Moldovan is not, in my view, "inaccurate", although it is not as specific as perhaps it sh/could be.
It discriminates 90% of the speakers against 10% of the speakers, so I would call it "inaccurate" as well.
I can understand the frustration of the original poster, based on these facts. Especially since I'm well aware that that region is full of national pride, even if it ends in violence. Hot headed people. :-)
When you say "that _is_ the _moldovan_ language"... how does Cyrillic writing make it not Moldovan anymore? Also, there is a very clear notice at the top directing people to Latin-alphabet content - it's not as if anybody is actually deprived of being able to read in their preferred script or is difficult to find.
Mark
On 8/31/09, Peter Gervai [email protected] wrote:
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 04:10, Mark Williamson[email protected] wrote:
I think it is fair to say that no language "belongs" to a country, it belongs to all speakers... what about the hundreds of thousands of people who write Moldovan in Cyrillic?
According to Wikipedia (the enciclopaedia libre of the internet, did you know that? ;)) article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_language:
The standard alphabet is Latin (currently official in the Republic of Moldova). Before 1989, also two versions of Cyrillic had been used: the Moldovan Cyrillic alphabet in 1940-89, and the historical Romanian Cyrillic alphabet until 1857. As of 2008[update], the former remains in use only in Transnistria.
This suggests that
- language identification 'mo' is written in latin,
- it _is_ the _moldovan_ language,
- it is used by 90% of the population (4 million+).
This hints to me as well that there is a language, which is the same, but written in cyrillic script and used in Transnistria (400 000+ people), but:
- I do not know its ISO code (definitely not "mo"),
- I do not remember the policy to host the same language in different
scripts, but if we support that, we should follow the already applied naming convention (I tend to remember something similar about serbian wp?)
Also I'm curious what Geni feels about them - using "mo" to refer to Cyrillic Moldovan is not, in my view, "inaccurate", although it is not as specific as perhaps it sh/could be.
It discriminates 90% of the speakers against 10% of the speakers, so I would call it "inaccurate" as well.
I can understand the frustration of the original poster, based on these facts. Especially since I'm well aware that that region is full of national pride, even if it ends in violence. Hot headed people. :-) -- byte-byte, grin
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On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 08:59, Mark Williamson[email protected] wrote:
When you say "that _is_ the _moldovan_ language"... how does Cyrillic writing make it not Moldovan anymore?
On the contarary: latin script make it not Moldovan language anymore.
It's like saying old english (non latin script) should be used on enwp instead of latin, and people may possibly be sent to latin script, because how does old english scripting make it not english anymore? (Yeah sure I know, it's probably not the very same language anymore, but you may possibly see my point about what's defined as official language with any given name, and its history. If it has been declared that THE Moldavian is written in latin then cyrillic script isn't today's Moldavian language anymore. It is a historical language, like many converted from national to latin scripts in the recent decades.)
Also, there is a very clear notice at the top directing people to Latin-alphabet content - it's not as if anybody is actually deprived of being able to read in their preferred script or is difficult to find.
I ain't no Moldavian but I'd guess here the priorities are exchanged. Default should be latin script and it may direct anyone to historical spelling by cyrillic. And if there's one-to-one relation betwen cyrillic and latin script then we should make it automagic.
Peter
ps: I'm not against preserving cyrillic writing, but as it's been mentioned: it doesn't match the language code. should be at least renamed. as far as I see, which is maybe not much.
You seem to believe that Cyrillic for the language is a purely historical artefact when in fact it is still used in textbooks for schoolchildren and learning to read in Transnistria. If Cyrillic script were no longer in use for Moldovan or used only as a historical curiosity this would be a dead issue and I doubt anybody would put up any debate.
As it is stated in the article, it is still the official script according to the PMR. Whether you recognize them as a country or an occupying force, it's undeniable that they do have _de facto_ control over the vast majority of the land between the Nistru river and the Ukrainian border and that in the Moldovan-medium schools in that area, the Cyrillic script is mostly used (I believe there are 4 schools using Latin script?)
As far as "declarations" and it being "declared" the Latin is the only script used to write Moldovan, that's pretty meaningless in my book. Governments over the centuries have tried to impose various linguistic changes. Laws regarding language are not so relevant in our context. For example, the Russian government has made a law requiring the use of Cyrillic script for all languages in the territory of the Federation... however, in our context, such a declaration is absolutely meaningless. The situation on the ground, not in law books, is what really matters.
As far as your second e-mail about people trying to erase Russian influence, it's not so simple as you've made it seem. In Transnistria, Russia is nearly universally seen as a force for good and there is little desire among the ethnic Moldovan population there to de-Russify anything. They fought a war over that essentially.
In (the rest of) Moldova, it's also not quite so simple. There are some who believe that Moldovans are Romanians and that Moldova and Romania should be united; there are others who believe Moldovans are an independent peopel and the country should have a Russia-oriented foreign policy; there are others still who believe Moldova should separate itself from both sides. As far as the Latin script goes that is considered a resolved issue outside of Transnistria however.
I don't think a decision of language should be made based on our personal feelings about the former Soviet Union or Russia or empires or colonism or socialism or Stalin, rather on the simple facts of the situation... which unfortunately nobody can seem to agree on either.
Mark
On 9/1/09, Peter Gervai [email protected] wrote:
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 08:59, Mark Williamson[email protected] wrote:
When you say "that _is_ the _moldovan_ language"... how does Cyrillic writing make it not Moldovan anymore?
On the contarary: latin script make it not Moldovan language anymore.
It's like saying old english (non latin script) should be used on enwp instead of latin, and people may possibly be sent to latin script, because how does old english scripting make it not english anymore? (Yeah sure I know, it's probably not the very same language anymore, but you may possibly see my point about what's defined as official language with any given name, and its history. If it has been declared that THE Moldavian is written in latin then cyrillic script isn't today's Moldavian language anymore. It is a historical language, like many converted from national to latin scripts in the recent decades.)
Also, there is a very clear notice at the top directing people to Latin-alphabet content - it's not as if anybody is actually deprived of being able to read in their preferred script or is difficult to find.
I ain't no Moldavian but I'd guess here the priorities are exchanged. Default should be latin script and it may direct anyone to historical spelling by cyrillic. And if there's one-to-one relation betwen cyrillic and latin script then we should make it automagic.
Peter
ps: I'm not against preserving cyrillic writing, but as it's been mentioned: it doesn't match the language code. should be at least renamed. as far as I see, which is maybe not much.
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Mark,
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:01, Mark Williamson[email protected] wrote:
You seem to believe that Cyrillic for the language is a purely historical artefact when in fact it is still used in textbooks for schoolchildren and learning to read in Transnistria.
I acknowledge that, but what do you want to say: 1) cyrillic form is used by the majority of speakers of Moldavian? or 2) latin form is used by majority speakers but there is a small minority who still uses cyrillic?
If first, I cannot see where that data come from. If second, then I see no reason to make it the main, default form.
If Cyrillic script were no longer in use for Moldovan or used only as a historical curiosity this would be a dead issue and I doubt anybody would put up any debate.
Thos whole thread isnt' about debate, but a repeated request for conversion for a long time now. For me it looks like IF it WAS a historical language but nobody would have wanted to change it. I know it isn't, it's just the same case for the original poster, and *we're* debating about his language.
As it is stated in the article, it is still the official script according to the PMR. Whether you recognize them as a country or an occupying force, it's undeniable that they do have _de facto_ control over the vast majority of the land between the Nistru river and the Ukrainian border and that in the Moldovan-medium schools in that area, the Cyrillic script is mostly used (I believe there are 4 schools using Latin script?)
As far as I see they're still minority speakers.
As far as "declarations" and it being "declared" the Latin is the only script used to write Moldovan, that's pretty meaningless in my book. Governments over the centuries have tried to impose various linguistic changes. Laws regarding language are not so relevant in our context.
You're the professional in this field so you ought not to leave unnoticed the fact that many languages tend to move towards latin script due to geopolitical reasons, and you cannot just say it's a short-term political movement.
Somebody should look up the proper definition of the ISO code 'mo' I guess.
As far as your second e-mail about people trying to erase Russian influence, it's not so simple as you've made it seem. In Transnistria,
Please observe the fact that I made a general comment about separatism and not particularly about Transnistria. I happen to be Hungarian and I could tell you about erasing Russian influence for a week, 8 hours a day sessions. I guess most ex-occupied people around could educate you about this subject as well. Generally.
As for Transnistria, I guess they're separated from Moldova because Moldova wants to get away from Russia while Transnistria doesn't and this quite explains both what you say and why Moldovans want to get rid of cyrillic script. I'd say it's not polite not to recognise the desire for Moldavian people (the majority speakers) in this case, unless I'm misinformed, which is a quite valid possibility in this case, since I do not know the opinion of the Moldavian people (excluding Transnistrian people).
In (the rest of) Moldova, it's also not quite so simple. There are some who believe that Moldovans are Romanians and that Moldova and Romania should be united; there are others who believe Moldovans are an independent peopel and the country should have a Russia-oriented foreign policy; there are others still who believe Moldova should separate itself from both sides.
Anyone ever provided some population percentage for these groups? Maybe the poster is in a minority opinion group, maybe not. That's an important question.
As far as the Latin script goes that is considered a resolved issue outside of Transnistria however.
So it seems to me, but then you talk against your opinion. :-)
I don't think a decision of language should be made based on our personal feelings about the former Soviet Union or Russia or empires or colonism or socialism or Stalin,
I agree.
rather on the simple facts of the situation... which unfortunately nobody can seem to agree on either.
For me it seems that majority of speakers use latin script, and the official language definition declares latin script, and that Moldavian people agree upon it as well.
I cannot say anything about Transnistrian language *smirk* which is written in cyrillic script and used by majority of Transnistrian people. mo-tr? ;)
Peter
- I do not remember the policy to host the same language in different
scripts, but if we support that, we should follow the already applied naming convention (I tend to remember something similar about serbian wp?)
In general the policy is that if we can create a converter we should. In this case it is possible to create a pretty good conversion system - there are relatively basic rules although there are exceptions which could be easily programmed - but I don't anticipate the ro.wp community would be too thrilled about having an tab to view their Wikipedia in Cyrillic. If we did so though I imagine that would mostly resolve this issue once and for all.
Mark
2 things as well:
If your language is called "Romanian", as you contend in the topic line, why do you care about the Moldovan WP? You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Also, the name of the holiday is not "Our romanian language", it's just "Our Language", there is very specifically no mention of the name because this is controversial. Same with the national anthem - not once does it mention Moldova, Moldovan, Romania, or Romanian, although it does talk a lot about the beauty of the language. Also it does not mention alphabets.
Mark
On 8/31/09, Cetateanu Moldovanu [email protected] wrote:
Hello everyone,
20 years ago on 27 august 1989, 700 000 of moldovans (of a 4 millions popoulation) went to the center of Chișinău (the capital of Moldova) to the *Piața Marii Adunări Naționale*, the biggest square in the city, and shout "limbă alfabet" (language and the alphabet) and for country independence, that event is called "Great National Assembly" (Marea Adunare Națională) which declared it's language "Moldavian" and it's script "LATIN". (here are a documental movie about this event http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BSfmhLOxO0, in the 4th part you can find that declaration)
Please respect that wish and delete the cyrllic mo.wikipedia.org that claims to be our language, and remove/change the name of our language written in cyrllic "Молдовеняскэ" on your first page wikipedia.org.
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On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 09:08, Mark Williamson[email protected] wrote:
If your language is called "Romanian",
As a sidenote I observe a strong tension between The Romanian People and others related to the country but separated from it, or got involved its history. Often I see violent desire to separate everything possible (often from both ends), including history, language and general culture. It is like Russian culture versus countries left Russian occupation: they try to get as far from it as possible. This will is _very_ strong, and usually not about some few individuals but the nations in question as a whole. Cannot, and probably should not just shrugged away.
My 2 'cents.